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Dec 21 08 4:37 PM
If Elbow had Ril killed by the Parade, but Sumio wasn't really involved, then why destroy Mikumo? What exactly did the Snow Chairman do?
Maybe the Parade was a protest group that was really protesting Elbow itself, and they had to get rid of it by: First, discreding their motives by blaming the rape and murder of a little girl on them, and second, manipulating a police officer into getting them obliterated.
Then there's Nakategawa.. I heard he was a part of FSO. At least, I think I remember Kirby saying that. That would put him against Elbow.
The question that begs to be asked once Ward 25 is released, is/was there a physical real life basis for Toriko Kusabi? There has to be if there were all those Terukos.... Hang on. Kyoko Kazan's head. Didn't ELBOW pick that up during SC?
I myself am trying very hard to not get caught up in the mysticism behind FSR and SC, it has been used way too often to screw with Sumio's perception of the "truth" at hand.When I say "truth", I mean it in the pure objective sense. What's the real goal, why it needs to be reached, who's preventing you from reaching it, and what are their motives. The bigger picture. Blah blah. Religion is being used as a falsehood in FSR.
Dec 21 08 10:30 PM
KIRBY 7 wrote:That's what I've been trying to say all along. Toriko was originally Kyoko.Or in other words Toriko is a reconstruction of an individual who was once known as Kyoko.It makes sense, since they do look alike, and have similar names.The main difference between Kyoko & Toriko is that Kyoko seemed to be a young mature woman whereas Toriko has more of a youngish demeanor around her.Toriko could be an amalgamation of both Mika Kishi (Toriko's youngish traits seem to come from Mika.) & Kyoko Kazan.
Dec 22 08 3:10 AM
The tidbit about Kamui was new for me
Just curious, and it probably never happened, what are the chances Yayoi made a contract with Mithra?
Say she did, at the cost of aging. Doesn't seem like a lot of time had passed between MS and SC and FSR. Concept art sketches of FSR Yayoi still looks great no matter how many times I see it. To me it looks like there's 4-6 year age gap in her and MS Yayoi.
Something struck me odd about Toriko's name. I'm sure I heard the word mentioned in a phrase like "kago no toriko" - which means "bird in a cage" or "prisoner".I'm probably overthinking it.
Toriko= Girl of the heart. tenth sign of the Chinese zodiac. (Rooster)http://www.teasetc.com/tea/article.asp?ID=71&Name=The+Chinese+Zodiac+CharacteristicsThe direct name meaning of Toriko is "captive"Toriko does seem to be a captive, but by whom, and from where?Teruko= Girl to shine.Direct name meaning of Teruko is "Shining child".I guess this makes sense. One of the FSR albums is called "Shine for high time."What do they mean by shine though? Are they saying that the Teruko children are illuminated?Kyoko= Crying girl.Direct name meaning of Kyoko is "mirror"It's often said that Kyoko is the spitting image of Mika Kishi.Sumio wanted her, but couldn't have her.Ryo loved her, and she loved him back, but they're brother & sister.Mika gets mixed up in this mess, because she looks like Kyoko.Mika also had a crush on Sumio Toba.____________I added in Kyoko, because it's probably not a coincidence that Toriko sort of resembles Kyoko.EDIT: Holy shit! What if Toriko is Kyoko.Sumio Toba was madly in love with Kyoko.She never reciprocated his love back, because she was in love with her brother Ryo.Ryo is dead now, and gone for good.
. At least one dude's hair's more grown out than the other, I'd say that one's Mondo.
[I feel so damn guilty for forgetting the character designer's name but these days he really makes me want to draw more.]
Dec 22 08 7:26 AM
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Apr 11 09 3:06 PM
watch the film The Profound Desire of the Gods  by Imamura Shohei, Suda stole quite liberally from it when making FSR
She is also the mistress of Ryu, the manager of the mill. The patriarch of the Futori family tries to get the engineer to marry his retarded daughter Toriko.
FSR so it is very useful in understanding the issues the game deals with,
instead of being very insular and confused in your plot analyses.
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Apr 14 09 2:47 AM
As you rightly point out, the exploration of identity is at the heart of the game, that's why I think we are best examining FSR with the Shinto/Japanese creation myth in mind, and also the island of Okinawa, its return to Japan, and the US occupation and militarisation. Both of which are central to the film and are therefore implicit in FSR.
Also a common ground for both is the tension between modernisation/tradition, which manifests itself in Sumio's identity dilemma and the engineer in the film Mr Kariya.Then there is also the sequence in the film which, as you say, relates to the 'sundance' section of the plot. The rock on the island in which the spirit of the deceased Toriko awaits the return of the engineer, and the subsequent building of a railroad on the island on which the train seems to be chasing the ghost of Toriko.
And don't be so touchy over a gentle suggestion, I just find all the intricate character and plot relationships to be secondary to how the game comments on and relates to history, our lives and other media. I'm still glad people try and find the continuity and links in Suda's games, just don't get lost in the tangled web.
Apr 16 09 8:46 AM
Apr 21 09 6:25 PM
its more about what emotions. themes and ideas are drawn out in the work, and how it relates to our lives.
all you do is describe what's there, you don't draw any meaning from it.
If Harman's Room was Garcian Smith's psychological structure of soiltudeIf the Killer 7 were nothing more than a government orchestrated lie created in order to undermine the sovereignty of opposing foreign nations.If Kun Lan himself is really just an astral projection or embodmient of freedom & anarchy than IMO FSR is....The time bomb is more like an alarm clock that ticks away, waiting for you to awaken. (As in enlightenment.)The time bomb it self represents life & how it ticks away until you die.When you run out of time the plane explodes just like how we die when our time is up.The plane bomb exploding is mainly due to you running out of time in figuring out the truth or facade of Lospass Resort & Hotel FSR.Note: There's no actual time limit in the game. The plane just explodes everytime you finish a level.The plane exploding represents how when we die we take everything along with it.Our memories, dreams, life ambitions, everything.When the plane explodes, everybody inside the plane dies & is never heard from again.(Which sucks, because Yayoi Hanayama was a hot piece of ass.http://www.killer7.3dactionplanet.gamespy.com/hotelfsr/hotelfsrguest.htm#yayYayoi decided to leave Lospass after Sumio Mondo saved her from her little poisoning incident.)The many Hotel guests who Sumio ends up helping along the way represent the trials & tribulations that often get in our way during our path in life.Sundance killed Sumio in order to teach him that death isn't the end, it's only a begining of a circular time stream.Hotel FSR is a vessel for the soul. It changes shape in accordance withwhomever is staying at the hotel.Ed Macalister himself remembers the faces of all his guests.Which means that everybody at FSR has their own personal dillemas that they must resolve before they can leave Lospass resort.
You folks can keep on talking to yourselves, I can't stand purists.
André Breton once said this of the novel, and it applies equally well here What I can not bear are those wretched discussions relative to such and such a move, since winning or losing is not in question.
I can't stand purists
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